An Open Letter to Washington, D.C. From a Physician on the Front Lines.

-by Matthew Moeller M.D.

I am writing this letter because I feel that our leaders and lawmakers do not have an accurate picture of what it actually entails to become a physician today; specifically, the financial, intellectual, social, mental, and physical demands of the profession. This is an opinion that is shared amongst many of my colleagues. Because of these concerns, I would like to personally relate my own story. My story discusses what it took to mold, educate, and train a young Midwestern boy from modest roots to become an outstanding physician, who is capable of taking care of any medical issues that may plague your own family, friends, or colleagues.

I grew up in the suburbs of southeast Michigan in a middle class family.  My father is an engineer at General Motors and my mother is a Catholic school administrator in my hometown. My family worked hard and sacrificed much to enroll me in a private Catholic elementary school in a small town in Michigan.  I thought I wanted to be a doctor in 5th grade based on my love of science and the idea of wanting to help others despite no extended family members involved in medicine.  Winning a science fair project about the circulatory system in 6th grade really piqued my interest in the field. Throughout high school, I took several science courses that again reinforced my interest and enthusiasm towards the field of medicine.  I then enrolled at Saint Louis University to advance my training for a total of eight years of intense education, including undergraduate and medical school.  The goal was to prepare myself to take care of sick patients and to save the lives of others (four years of undergraduate premedical studies and four years of medical school).  After graduation from medical school at age 26, I then pursued training in Internal Medicine at the University of Michigan, which was a three year program where I learned to manage complex problems associated with internal organs, including the heart, lungs, gastrointestinal tract, kidneys and others.  I then went on to pursue an additional 3 years of specialty medical training (fellowship) in the field of gastroenterology. The completion of that program culminated 14 years of post-high school education. It was as that point, at the tender age of 32 and searching for my first job, that I could say that my career in medicine began.

Over that 14 year time period of training, I, and many others like me, made tremendous sacrifices.  Only now as I sit with my laptop in the dead of night, with the sounds of my children sleeping, can I look back and see where my journey began.

For me, it began in college, taking rigorous pre-medical courses against a large yearly burden of tuition:  $27,000 of debt yearly for 4 years.  I was one of the fortunate ones. Because I excelled in a competitive academic environment in high school and was able to maintain a position in the top tier of my class, I obtained an academic scholarship, covering 70% of this tuition.  I was fortunate to have graduated from college with “only” $25,000 in student debt. Two weeks after finishing my undergraduate education, I began medical school.  After including books, various exams that would typically cost $1000-$3000 per test, and medical school tuition, my yearly education costs amounted to $45,000 per year. Unlike most other fields of study, the demands of medical school education, with daytime classes and night time studying, make it nearly impossible to hold down an extra source of income. I spent an additional $5000 in my final year for application fees and interview travel as I sought a residency position in Internal Medicine.  After being “matched” into a residency position in Michigan, I took out yet another $10,000 loan to relocate and pay for my final expenses in medical school, as moving expenses are not paid for by training programs.

At that point, with medical school completed, I was only halfway through my journey to becoming a doctor.  I recall a moment then, sitting with a group of students in a room with a financial advisor who was saying something about how to consolidate loans. I stared meekly at numbers on  a piece of paper listing what I owed for the 2 degrees that I had earned , knowing full well that I didn’t yet have the ability to earn a dime. I didn’t know whether to cry at the number or be happy that mine was lower than most of my friends. My number was $196,000.

$196,000. That was the bill, for the tuition, the tests, the books, the late night pizza. $196,000 financed through a combination of student loans, personal loans, and high interest credit cards, now consolidated, amalgamated, homogenized into one life defining number for my personal convenience.

I then relocated to Michigan and moved into a small condo in Ann Arbor, where I started my residency. As a resident in Internal Medicine, I earned a salary of $39,000. All the while, interest continued to accrue on my mother-lode of debt at the rate of $6000 per year due to the high debt burden.  Paying down this debt was not possible while raising two children. My wife began working, but her meager salary as a teacher was barely enough to cover day care costs. During residency, my costs for taking licensing examinations, interviewing for specialty training positions, and interest on the large loan ballooned my debt further, now exceeding $230,000, all before I began my career as a “real doctor”.

Relatives and friends often ask me, “now that you are a ‘real’ doctor, aren’t you making the big bucks?” While I am fortunate to now be making a higher salary, some basics of finance make my salary significantly less than meets the eye (very in-depth article on how this is so). First, I was 32 years old as I began training and I now had over $230,000 in debt. Had I invested my talents in other pursuits such as law school, I would not have built up this level of debt. Also, as I did not start saving when I was younger, financially speaking, I have lost the past 10 years without the ability to save and invest to earn compounding interest.  In addition, as physicians, though we make more money than many others, we are not reimbursed for many of the services that we provide.
We do not “clock” the number of minutes as attorneys do when we talk with patients.  We do not hang up the phone as attorneys may do if they are not going to get paid. No, we listen to patients and answer their questions, however long it may take.  Even if it is the thirty-second straight hour of work, which happens very often, we listen, respond, and formulate a logical plan.  If it involves calling a patient at home after I just worked 30 hours in a row and just walked in the door to see my family, I do it. I never come “home” from work.  As physicians, we are always available, and have to respond in an intellectual way using the $230,000 rigorous education that we received.   And if we don’t do our work well, we don’t just lose business, but we can lose our livelihood through lawsuits.

You may ask why do we do all of this?  It’s because we have pride in what we do.  We truly care for the well-being of the human race.  We have been conditioned to think, act, talk, and work as a very efficient machine, able to handle emotions, different cultures, different ranges of intellect, all to promote the health of America.  We are doctors.

In reading this letter, one may think that one has to sacrifice a significant amount to become a great physician.  You may think we face physical and mental stress that is unparalleled.   You may begin to think that doctors not only have to be smart, but they have to know how to communicate with others during very emotional times.   You may think that we must face adversity well and must develop very rough skin to handle all walks of life, especially when dealing with sickness and death on a daily  basis.

Now that you see this additional aspect to our career, you may think that we have a tough job to tackle several tasks at once, demanding much versatility.  You may think someone needs a great work ethic to do what we do.  You must think that not only do we have to know science extremely well, we also have to know other areas such as writing, history, math, even law given the multiple calculations we go through in our heads on a daily basis and conversations we have with families. And finally, you must think we know finance, as we have to try balance a $230,000 loan while making $50,000 at age 30.

Now imagine, if you would,  having $230,00 dollars in debt with two young children at age 30 and listening to the news with lawmakers saying that doctors are “rich” and should have their pay cut.  Or that “studies show that doctors lack empathy”.

Unfortunately, we physicians do not have much of a voice on Capitol Hill.  There are not enough doctors in Washington D.C. who can give the insight of this letter while you in Washington, D.C. discuss health care reform.   You may hear from leaders of the American Medical Association, but these are not the doctors on the front lines.   These are the older political voices who were physicians when the times were different, when doctors did get reimbursed fairly for their work, when student loan debt was not this high, and when lawsuits were less prevalent. Many of the loudest voices in the healthcare debate are those of lawyers and lobbyists for special interests. They do not care about the well being of patients; that is what doctors do.

I want to make it clear that this letter is not just another story about the difficulties of becoming a doctor and being successful in medicine.  I do not want you to think I am complaining about how hard my life is and used to be.  In fact, I love my job and there is no other field I would ever imagine myself doing.   My true wish is to illustrate the sacrifices doctors do make because I feel we are not represented when laws are made. These sacrifices include a lack of quality family time, our large student loan debt, the age at which we can practically start saving for retirement, and the pressure we face with lawyers watching every move we make. Yet we make these sacrifices gladly for the good of our patients.

I want to challenge our leaders to address the points I have made in this letter, keeping in mind that this is an honest firsthand account of the personal life of a newly practicing physician.  It is a letter that speaks for almost all physicians in America and our struggles on our arduous yet personally rewarding life.  It is not just a letter of my own journey, but one that represents most physicians’ path on our way to caring for America’s sick.
You may ask how I had the time to write this letter?  As I’m sure many of you do, I made time.  It is now 3:00 am on my only day off this month.  I considered this a priority.  I hope you feel the same.  I just finished my 87 hour week.  Time for a short rest.

Article by Matthew Moeller M.D. who is a practicing Gastroenterologist in Michigan.

Edited by Deep Ramachandran, M.D.

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  • NS Desi

    I feel like this article is disingenuous. Now as a practicing gastroenterologist said physician will be making approx. 250k a year. In 10 years, probably close to 400k. I don’t see why hes crying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/richard.m.friedman Richard M Friedman

      Perhaps NS Desi has pointed out the problem here. People can read what doctors go thru and sacrifice, but the bottom line is, they still focus on the revenue, completely losing sight of the long years of training, the meager reimbursements from insurance companies, the long hours, the huge malpractice premiums paid, that there is a potential lawsuit out there every time a surgery is performed, the continuous need to keep up with latest developments. Doctors cannot afford to sit on their laurels. There is no telling how many times surgeons operate only to find out that the patient has no money, no insurance and with nothing to gain by suing the patient. How many people train for 10 or more years and have to put up with non-payment for professional services? The fact that NS Desi thinks the writer is “crying” is typical of a person who has no understanding of what physicians go thru. Instead of knocking the doctor writing this article, try opening your eyes and embrace what he is saying and put yourself in his place.
      (Disclosure: I am not a doctor, nor could I ever be one).

      • http://www.facebook.com/Ernie.More Ernie More

        Richard M Friedman, I agree with NS Desi. I think articles like this are best suited for high school students interested in becoming doctors and the American Medical Association which according to the author isn’t accurately representing the profession. It could be a good letter to congress and his representatives, “I want to challenge our leaders to address the points I have made in this letter” but he does not make any real points. He does not ask for anything specific. What does he want? Better health reform? They’re trying, be specific. A pay raise? An hourly cap? A sympathetic ear? A shoulder to cry on? What?!?

        Articles like this do not do the profession justice. They read like sob stories. I do not like how all articles like this start with, “Because of these concerns, I would like to personally relate my own story.” I don’t understand the line “while making $50,000″.

        What carries the most weight in this article is the line, “My wife began working, but her meager salary as a teacher was barely enough to cover day care costs.”

        (Disclosure: I am not a doctor or a teacher).

      • http://www.facebook.com/jared.jameson.10 Jared Jameson

        your opinion also is disingenous, for one simple reason: everything is relative. I’d expect a law student’s debt to be less than a doctor’s, and a journalism student’s debt to be less than a lawyer’s, etc, etc, etc. It’s all relative, and it rings of sour grapes by the doctor, if you ask me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jared.jameson.10 Jared Jameson

      Furthermore, he flat out lied in his letter. A quick, easy public search of his residency years reveals that, while perhaps he made $39,000 in that year, he actually was paid at a rate of $41,500 his first year, with a 9 percent increase his second year, and then an 8.8 percent increase his final year. Furthermore, Henry Ford, where he now works, is considered a top-rated payer for gastro; his region rates at a yearly average salary of $397,000. He might not be at that rate yet, but I bet he’s close, and I bet his starting salary was $250,000-$300,000 based on my interactions with my UM doctor friends, all of whom bought $200,000-plus houses in my sub BEFORE STARTING their residencies at Michigan. I suspect he needed to exclude some of the truths of his cirumstances in order to frame his ‘point’ in the perspective he intended. It’s disingenuous, if you ask me.

  • Ben P.

    Because he has missed out on 10 years of retirement savings and probably has a $2000/ month student loan note to pay. Take out 36% income tax , and he’s left with $136,000/ year. Sounds like a lot? At 80 hours/ week he’s only making $35/ hour! He is not merely skilled labor, he is the highest educated a human can be with years of training in dealing with medical , social, psychological, spiritual problems! I think the point he could make is that for some to endure and succeed in the extraordinary way he has had to, he should be compensated in an extraordinary way. Very few people alive can do (or even learn to do what he does). People who can’t appreciate what a doctor goes through and sacrifices have no value placed on education and hard work, and are usually the ones whining when they can’t get what THEY want. Its this lack of appreciation that is wrecking our healthcare system as intelligent people are going into business, computer sciebce , etc because they can make just as much without most of the debt and sacrifice. I personally think physicians should have their student loans forgiven after working several years. At least they are contributing to society through helping others, donations, free care given, and massive income tax payments.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jared.jameson.10 Jared Jameson

      You and I both know that a doctor with a mortgage, and kids (his FB profile shows 3 kids), presumably daycare costs, and other tax-deductible factors is NOT paying that full rate of income tax. Hell, me and my wife were in the 25 percent tax rate this year, but after those deductions/credits mentioned above, our freakin’ ETR was a mere 3 percent! We made six figures combined. Considering the letter offers nothing in terms of wishes from gov’t, it is a letter of sour grapes, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Will

    Why try to counter a bunch of mistaken notions about doctors by spewing a bunch about lawyers? Makes you sound immature and ignorant, which is the opposite of what I think you wanted to portray.

  • Neuro MD

    Give me a break, The story is a tired and boring harangue that so many of my colleagues have spewed out so often. The ideals underlying such stories reveal a self-inflated ego, but what would you expect from a profession where everyone has (viz: demands, expects) the same first name as ‘Doctor’? Being a physician is not the most demanding, most under-payed profession. The bottom line is that doctors made the the choice to become doctors. Diatribes such as this have little credibility to me as a physician, and much less to someone who may be out of a job or less fortunate.

  • Tana Benner

    I am an attorney from a modest Midwestern background. I have pride in what I do. I truly care for the well-being of the human race. Although I may “clock” the number of minutes that I talk with my clients, I do not hang up the phone on any of my clients ever, even when I am not getting paid. In fact, there are numerous cases where I end up writing off my bill. I listen to my clients and answer their questions, however long it may take, even if I am at home eating dinner with my family. I also have six figures of student loan debt and no retirement savings, but I will be lucky to ever make the kind of money that a physician earns. That’s that.

  • Matthew S

    No one doubts that doctors are well-educated, hard-working, and caring people. The problem with health care is not the high salaries of doctors, but the massively inflated prices charged by hospitals and insurance companies – the burden of which is carried by consumers. If the author of this article were truly humanitarian, he would not simply bewail the public perception that he’s an overpaid parasite, but offer some concrete suggestions about how to lower the overall costs of healthcare so that everyone in the system is paying, and earning, what they deserve. When a system is unequal, people naturally resent its relative beneficiaries.

    And he might gain some credibility by addressing some of the abuses perpetrated by less-altruistic doctors than himself (e.g. ordering expensive but unnecessary diagnostic tests to avoid malpractice, placate hypochondriacs, or get kick-backs).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=588265800 Dustin Pitts

    This show should support your sad case. http://www.bravotv.com/married-to-medicine

  • 21stCentMD

    To all of you who are not doctors and disagree with this view, go become one and survive the process then talk to us. While we voluntarily chose to enter this profession, what if we voluntarily decide not to offer you care even if you or your family needed it? Don’t hold doctors to a double standard just because of moral obligation (if such a thing even exists nowadays). We provide a billable service just like everyone else, but only difference it is your health and body. Imagine what would happen if physicians decide to simply see you as a client needing a deliverable rather than a human being in need of care and tender support? Just think how much happier we would be actually. ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/pjciam Paul J Coppola

    I just read your letter on Sermo and wanted to comment directly to you and say thanks.

    Here was my response on Sermo

    Great letter, I can easily relate as most all in our profession. I initially wanted to share with everyone I know who as ever said “you rich doctors have it made” and thought every lawmaker, insurance executive, and even patients so that they would understand what it is like getting to be a physician. I am nearing the end of my career and still love what I do and would not have changed if given another chance. I have great concerns for what the future generation of physicians will be like with computers, electronic health records, multilple layers of answering machines and staff before the patient gets to talk with the doctor and worst of all set hours as employees of hosptals or health care organizations. The real problem is that medicine has evolved to such a high level of technology that the cost is overwhelming and simply unaffordable. Noone, but the individual patient sitting with their doctor really listening, values the simple doctor-patient relationship, which in the long run is the most cost effective. However, that most important aspect cannot be maintained and is being sacrificed because of the technology costing so much. I am so thankful that I still have the privelage of spending time with the patients who have for so many years put their trust in me and in the end that is what makes getting there all worth it. Still great letter because it made me think about those years back in college, med school and residency training with all the struggles and yet they were good times. Thanks.

    paul.coppola@snet.net

    • Josh Bucher

      I think that most people here are missing the point of the article. The point is that he is graduating with over 200k in debt (like myself). Most other 1st world countries have education systems much more suited for encouraging people to go into primary care because they do not graduate with debt if they attend public medical schools.

      As someone who just graduated last year with > 200k in debt, making 50,800 a year as a first year resident (you can look up UMDNJ PGY 1 salaries online), I sympathize with him.

      The comment above that they know “so many people who bought $200k homes before residency” is totally irrelevant. I never worked, never had a full time job before residency and came straight from college. I borrowed money to rent apartments, and rent now. I drive a 10 year old Honda that I need to last me another 10 years. I am in NJ and pay some of the highest cost of living expenses. I make $500 a month loan payments. My assets are very low, and my loan principal keeps increasing due to compounding interest.

      If we were anything like the rest of the 1st world, medical school debt would be a different story. I am going into academic emergency medicine. I will start at a salary on the east coast of approximately 180k. I am not getting a maserati, nor can I purchase a 700k house. I am also inheriting another 100k in debt from my fiance.

      The point that I took away from this is that the system of debt needs to be changed. I am not complaining about my salary. I am not complaining I cannot afford a maserati. I am not complaining that I don’t make enough money. The point I will complain about is the education system has to change because there is a huge physician shortage, and students are discouraged from pursuing a career in medicine due to the way medical school and debt is funded in the US.

  • nick

    I agree with the fact that doctors are not being paid enough but in this case I kind of disagree with my gastroenterology colleague as they are among high earners ( above 350K ) and actually under current system are being paid pretty well for what they do. Unfortunately doctors payment system in US is not fair at all. In current US health system you are not being paid for the time, energy, quality or level of stress you are dealing with and simply being paid for the number of procedures you do. For example in early 80s gastroenterologist were among least paid doctors no matter how much time they spent with their patients and Nobody wanted to do it. Suddenly after medicare started to pay for screening colonoscopy GI became a hot field and every medical students started thinking about it. Same story happened for Anesthesiology or some other fields. Procedural payment was the reason that many medical students decide to choose so called luxurious and less stressful fields ( such as Dermatology, GI,…) in recent years for the simple fact of work less and get paid more. I am not against the GI doctor who wrote this blog is wrong but I dont think he is the first one who should cry. Our primary care doctors, Hospitalists, surgeons, neurologist and even non procedural cardiologist have to tolerate far more and more pressure despite less and less pay everyday. I think Congress should come up with a system that guarantee a fair and sustainable pay for doctors and we as medical community should come up with fair and practical demands and work together to reach that goal otherwise our procedurists get paid less and less and our thinkers will suffer more and more everyday and nobody even patients will benefit from current situation.

  • Stephen Matics

    I’m sorry but CRY ME A RIVER. I’m a pharmacist and have a similar amount of school debt. Granted, unlike your profession, we do not need nearly as much post graduate training and so begin earning a large salary earlier. But let’s keep it in perspective here. The average salary for a gastroenterologist is $350,000 in the United States. No one forced you go to medical school or have two kids, or even pursue another 3 years of post-graduate training after internal medicine. In fact, you can argue that the reason you specialized was more for the money than anything else. Go on and admit it. Every other physician I’ve ever spoken with does. It’s the reason there are primary care doctor shortages.

    I see a lot of young attending’s who first start working, with their massive school debts, who pay them off very quickly and then proceed to buy maserati’s (true), BMW M3′s (true), $700,000 homes (triple true), etc etc. Go on and do a survey on every attending physician out there: Hey, if the money wasn’t so good, would you be in medicine? MOST of them would say no. People who go into health care should NOT have that much school debt. In fact, NO ONE should. But in exchange for providing a service and “caring” for people around you, you cannot gripe about not collecting an oversized salary. But physicians do collect oversized salaries. And the fact that while this continues while the biggest cause of bankruptcy in America right now is healthcare related costs should lead you to question how ALL of us are compensated and educated. The current model isn’t working. After all, if you were really into “helping” people, does that help involve causing them bankruptcy as well? I know as a pharmacist, and my fiance knows as a physician in training, that we wouldn’t feel very good about ourselves. And we are directly responsible whether we know it or not.

  • steve

    CRY ME A RIVER dude. Doctors aren’t in it to help anyone. IF they were, you really think they’d be okay with their profession charging prices that wind up being the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in america??

    Simply put, physicians and pharmacists (I’m one) are in it for the money. You said you spent 3 years in internal medicine. At that point you could have become a primary care doctor and actually worked to help reverse and prevent disease in people before it became something worse. But no, you specialized. They all specialize because that’s where all the money is at. That’s why you specialized in gastroenterology and now make on average $350,000. In my profession, when we specialize, get more training and do a residency or fellowship, we on average make FAR LESS than just being a local neighborhood pharmacist.

    In case we are still not understanding this, consider the most competitive fields in medicine (meaning the most difficult to get into with the smartest physicians applying) are: 1. Plastic Surgery. 2. Dermatology…LAST PLACE: Family Medicine

    Meaning: you want to see a smart doctor, go find your local dermatologist.

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  • http://www.caduceusblog.com/ Deep Ramachandran

    Followup to this article now posted at caduceusblog.com. Due to the
    tremendous popularity of this article as well as the controversy and
    questions it generated, Dr. Moeller has written a followup addressing
    many of these issues.

  • Edward Volpintesta MD

    March
    30, 3013

    Caduceuslog.com

    I appreciate the comments made by Matthew Moeller MD posted on the March 28
    Caduceus.blog. His willingness to speak openly and freely is admirable and I
    wish more physicians could muster the courage to do the same. For many if not
    most physicians suffer silently and to borrow a famous phrase of Thoreau’s lead
    lives of quiet desperation.

    My response to his blog however is directed not to the time and the financial
    burden but to the medical curriculum itself.

    I have been practicing primary care for almost 40 years. And as I look back on my
    years of education I realize how much of it was either redundant or
    inappropriate.

    For example, as I look back on courses like organic chemistry, physics,
    biochemistry, biology of vertebrates, and physical chemistry which I labored
    thorough because I was told medical schools favored students who took those subjects—and the time and worry I spent on them I am overcome with a sense of regret. For the
    time invested in them has contributed very little if anything to my capability
    as a general practitioner. Ironically a great deal of time is also spent on the
    so-called basic sciences in medical school as well.

    The basic sciences have their place in medical education of course. But, studying
    them with the intellectual exactness that is more appropriate for a career in
    medical research doesn’t makes sense. Some
    of these subjects I suppose are intended to weed out those students who do not
    have a superior aptitude for science. Unfortunately many students who could
    have made good general practitioners were either turned off from a career in
    medicine or refused admission to medical school because they were daunted by
    organic chemistry or biochemistry.

    My point is that perhaps the medical education experience doesn’t have to be so
    long and arduous. Certainly surgeons need their operating room experience to
    develop their skills but even their pre-residency education could be modified
    to be more practical. This would save time, money, and energy for those
    pursuing medical careers.

    Many believe that the Flexner Report of 1910 which set new standards for medical
    school is greatly responsible. Abraham Flexner undertook a study of American
    medical schools, identified their deficiencies and with the power of the
    Carnegie Institute and the Rockefeller Foundation supporting him set in place a
    new set of standards. They were inspired by the German medical schools whose
    main focus was on medical research. That focus has remained in place and has been
    the foundation of American medicine ever since.

    Clearly the medical schools of the time needed the improvements in standards that
    Flexner promulgated and no one would doubt the benefits that have accrued
    because of medical research.

    But the overriding attention to research encouraged the training of specialists and
    did all but ignore the training of general practitioners.

    This unintended effect of Flexner’s report is responsible to a great extent for the
    primary care shortage that is constantly reported in the media. Perhaps if
    Flexner were a physician his approach might have been different. He was an
    educator not a doctor.

    One of his contemporaries, Sir William Osler MD a celebrated physician, teacher, and
    author of a highly regarded medical textbook disagreed with Flexner’s ideas. He
    preferred that medical research be done in institutes and not in medical
    schools attached to teaching hospitals. He was also against full-time teachers
    in the hospitals because he thought that not being directly involved in private
    practice in the community did not give them the exposure to the practical needs
    and problems of patients outside of the hospital environment.

    Be this as it may, some leaders in medicine are seriously taking a second look at
    the changes that followed in the wake of Flexner’s report with plans to correct
    any unintended consequences.

    If they do a good job future physicians may be spared some of the stresses and
    adversities that Dr. Moellers aptly described.

    Edward Volpintesta MD

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  • guserson

    What’s your salary now? you don’t mention it in the article.

  • AP

    I’m an incoming med student. Although there is the potential to do very well down the line, and I understand that, looking at raking in $350,000 to $400,000 in student loans at the age of 24 scares the living crap out of me!!!!

    I’d like to note that perhaps we would all be less interested in subspecializing and lining our pockets if we would not have those loans in the back of our minds through the next four years of medical school. It frames how we think about the profession, doesn’t it? PCP, for example becomes very appealing when you have $0 debt. Perhaps not for everyone, but perhaps for enough that it may make a substantial difference in the way we see health care in the US.